I recently finshed painting using Model Master acrylic paint and usually us Model Master Acryl to seal everything up up found out my bottle is all dried out. I have had good luck using spray Lacquer in place of shellac as well. 1) Strip off the clearcoat. Can you lacquer over vinyl stickers? Maybe the paint is too hot? The frame is now ready for final clear-coating. Xoso. Address:2-5 samarpan complex JAY JAGANNATH MULTITRADE PVT LTD When that dries, I spray a couple of very light coats over the entire decal. Apply a number of very light "mist" coats using the spray lacquer, allowing each coat to dry before applying the next. lacquer over our motorcycle decals do not use any abrasives like Scotchbright pads etc. Now put two coats of shellac over the decal to protect it from the lacquer. Then Dullcote after the Glosscote dries. Thanks for all the replies. I am planning to lacquer over the table to protect the wood. Can then peel … Once the decal is dry and exactly where you want it, take your decal softener such as Mr. Mark Softer and brush it all over the decal, making sure it doesn’t move. The final clear coat can be whatever you want to use for the over all look you are wanting to achieve. Over decals I use gloss coat 1st, to give a little thicker layer to blend any decal film that might be visible. Using a cooler temperature water such as room temperature or lukewarm water is ideal for a better outcome. ... Custom-designed decals, lettering, and wraps serve to distinguish your company’s vehicle — advertising your business and building name recognition everywhere you go, like a mobile billboard. Them did about another 3 coats. Location: Pan India. Is it possible to apply decals over a powder coated paint finish and then lacquer on top? I want the decals to look painted on so it shouldn’t show decal edges. How complex are the decals? Do I have to lacquer decals? Vinyl decals were never intended to have a clear coat put on top, as far as I can discover within product specifications. Just to add I got decals from Gil m(used him for couple of years) decals of high quality and lacquer friendly.. At this point I must say that the best primer I've ever used it's called VARIPRIMER and it's made by DuPont. I think Testors makes a decal sealer but you can use regular "rattle can" lacquer. If you lacquer too soon after sticking them on, the solvents in the paint can react with the solvents in the glue and you will find the transfers start to bubble. Does Tru-oil count as an acceptable coating to apply the decal to or should I try to lacquer over the tru-oil first (if that's even possible) xoso, Apr 15, 2013 #7. inkedintville Senior Stratmaster. Thickish, so have a distinct edge to them. Does anyone know if the lacquer paint will affect the decals? Dont rush that Bikes like Orange*/Cove use decals over paint finish so you can change graphics whenever you like. Even the guy that made the decal likely isn't 100% sure what materials are used in the papers he is printing on. This makes the decal "flow" into the finish. Think I’m going to apply the decals then cover the lot in Helitape or similar, seems the simplest option to me. Dab any excess softener with paper towel. If it does move, quickly realign it with your hobby knife before the solution starts to work. 1/ Once the surface of the headstock is prepared remove the protective tissue over the Decal and trim the Decal as required – there is picture showing trimming a logo below. I have a Chinese carbon glossy frame, and some custom decals to apply. Waterslide decals are a means of applying a professional logo to the surface. Lacquer over enamel...if the lacquer goes on too thick, ... Spray another gloss over the colors, decal, gloss over the decals and proceed with weathering. When the tanks come to me they don't have decals on, I pinstripe them and send them off to the decal department. Privacy It is possible to scalpel-cut around a lacquered decal and cut it out,done this my self. Joined: Nov 10, 2010 Location: North Carolina. Pretty much have to do the whole frame to get it to lock right. Also did the same thing with poly. Very, very important is that the first couple of coats should be incredibly light. But the decals are really good quality and adhere well so no reason they won’t look good for a long time without lacquer .. My frame/fork were left in drying oven but not a clue if low temp etc.. ? Most bike manufacturers only lacquer over the tank transfers, the rest are applied after paint. Our vinyl decals have a great durability as is. Premier Club James If that is not to be done because the frame is already fully finished, then we strongly recommend that you apply clear lacquer locally over the decal to ensure that it is protected from solvents in cleaners or polishes that might affect the inks. The decal's edges may stick to … The paint did blister up when sprayed over old enamel paint. They are lifting in just a couple of places where the sticker is quite narrow. ... • #6. pip. I’m in “no lacquer” camp,seen some horrible sights post crash where decals torn-up through lacquer,so to fix you have to have it refinished. You're safest that way! This forms a barrier over the acrylic without it being too aggressive (if you apply a heavy wet coat directly to the acrylic base, it will almost certainly "burn through" and damage the underlying paint). There is always more than one way to defur … 32 Related Question Answers Found You must first apply 2-3 very thin mist coats over the decal; allowing it to dry each time. one of the flaws with a self coloured vinyl, it will be between 0.8 – 0.6 micron in thickness so will always have an “edge” to it, not really ideal for thin line work or small text, but fine for 2-3mm and above if not in high wear areas, certainly know of one frame refinished who regularly bakes my decals but I only use Cast vinyl and this makes a big difference – always go with a cast vinyl over a calendered if you get an option – a little thinner and more stable at higher temperatures, with better adhesion. ... Keep repeating this process allowing plenty of time for the lacquer to harden in between taking care not to rub into the decal of course . Just enough build to be able to sand back flat. 2/ Next place the Decal in a shallow bowl of Luke warm water (not hot - otherwise you end up … For the finish I'm thinking of a stain and then applying a vinyl decal to the outside and then sealing it with a … Fresh Goods Friday 530 – Well Hello 2021! It is better to apply 3-4 thin coats with an interval of 10 minutes rather than one heavy continuous coat of paint. His main concern was that he did not want to feel the decal, so I had to bury it in the finish. Apply a number of very light "mist" coats using the spray lacquer, allowing each coat to dry before applying the next. With a few materials and a little of your time, you can clear-coat decals yourself. Lacquer primer; it can be gray, white, or oxide red, depending on the final coats. I usually thin it with some Tamiya lacquer thinner 1 to 1 and a few drops of retarder. Once dry, I take my airbrush with clear dope and very lightly spray the edges of the decal. to key the surface of the decal, this will damage the printing. View fullsize. Any thoughts or experience of doing this? Does anyone know if you can spray Lacquer clear finish over acrylic paint? Emporio Clear PU Finishes are used to protect wood while retaining its original grains by … Login/cookie issues? Tip: If you notice air bubbles beneath your decal once it is dry, use a pin to prick small holes in it. Do not use panel wipes that contain toluene as again, this will damage the printing. Step 1 With your finger and thumb gently rub the top of the decal against … I tend to spray a couple of light coat and then go for a couple of wet coat. If decal is in a wear area just cover in heli tape to protect. Recently I'm struggling with wrinkles of decals when I spray a clear lacquer coat over. If you're going to lacquer over the decals, you need to leave them for as long as possible after applying. After the decal steps are finished, the locomotive can be lightly weathered as desired. The Singletrackworld.com Mountain Bike Quiz of 2020, Top 10 Singletrack Podcast episodes of 2020, This topic has 10 replies, 6 voices, and was last updated. Fixing dodgy decals could be way easier than fixing dodgy lacquering, which will be extremely easy to do…. Once you have applied all your decals, and if you have done it correctly, they should now have the appearance of being painted on. See the section headed “Yellowing the headstock face”. If you intend to lacquer over our motorcycle decals do not use any abrasives like Scotchbright pads etc. I don't see any difference between the two, maybe time will tell. Waterslide decal paper is an amazing product to work with. Can use a chemical striper like Jasco (not sure what the equivalent is here in the UK) or sandpaper. Then the polyester clear coat started pulling away from the decal. I've never known anyone who uses Krylon or Rust-o-leum on their models and wouldn't recommend them in the first place. Post subject: Shellac over decals? The first body i noticed if the lacquer / clear went on too thick it seemed to react and almost bubble the decals. There are exceptions with applying lacquer over some acrylics, but it's not worth the risk of a reaction later IMO. Posted: Aug Wed 10, 2005 6:12 am . Thin factory applied transfer type decals have to be lacquered* as this “fixes” them as they would scratch off very easily.*AFAIK. if you did that with the lacquer surely you'd just end up with patchy laquer on the frame... and that'd just look horrendous. ... And because I'm inclined to put decals over windows when I'm designing a livery, I even spray the windows with TS13. Lacquer first, then enamel or acrylic. Then applied a nice coat to get the gloss effect, this seemed to be much better and no reaction from the decals at all . If you are using enamel clear coat, automotive clear coat, acrylic clear coat, urethane or lacquer you must first use a thinned out coat. It could be difficult to build up enough thickness to "cover up" the vinyl to the point where you don't notice a bump where the vinyl starts. Put the transfers on at least a week before you apply the final coats of lacquer because the adheasive solvent may evaporate under the paint and make it bubble up or react. Seeing as the bike was going to see lots of mud/filth I reckoned this would be my best option .. Either just over the decals or on the whole frame. Decals and Wall Stickers; Kids Theme Stencils; Kids Magnetic Wall Themes; Paints to Create Kids Themes; Paints for Kids Decor & Furniture; Blog; Download Catalogs; Compare Products ; Search. If you use solvent or petrolium based liquids there is a strong chance you will destroy the decal! I’ve seen mixed information, and am now a bit concerned that the lacquer may react with the decals and it’ll look rubbish. read more... Innmats Private Limited. If it does move, quickly realign it with your hobby knife before the solution starts to work. Well personally, unless it’s absolutely necessary, I see no reason to clear over the top of vinyl decals. Laserjet printers are not as prone to this. PU Matt and Glossy finishes for wood. Or maybe there is no just right, and you'll ruin the whole thing. Classifieds Rules Either completely flat or semi-gloss. After you have sealed the decal with thin coats you may apply a heavier coat if you want. I assume based on my experience that the decals will last as long as they are supposed to, or longer, because of having a coat of clear paint or lacquer applied over them. Im painting my RGV 250 and im wondering about what stage the decals should be put on?I want to lacquer over them.Usually if you put the base coat on you wait a certain amount of time then put the lacquer on,when is it safe to put the decals on? 1 year 3 weeks ago #57479. Then you can put the lacquer of choice on it - never used Minwax, but Deft is good, and also the stuff they sell at Lowe's (that I can't remember at the moment) is very good. We’re using a wood, ceramic, and a plastic material here. FOR DECALS - the safest way to nitro over a decal, is to use shellac as an intermediate coat. Hope this helps.. Any tips why? Can you lacquer over vinyl stickers? Bonus Giveaway Day! For good decals, gloss coat, apply the decals, then gloss coat again. For my second attempt, I did a little more research into the decals. I cant even decide once the decals are on as the body needs masking for flat black areas so if i decal first id have to mask over decals. If I were doing it I would probably go with something like lacquer or shellac that would adhere the decal. - posted in Master classes: Hi Anthony, I agree with most of the comments above. Hey all, I'm working on a project for a portable serving table for booze. The topic ‘Lacquer over decals (or not)?’ is closed to new replies. These are vinyl decals. Personally, I don't like anything glossy looking, so I'll put down a good dull coat over everything. Can then peel off (whats left of - if sanding) decals … Contact Us ... of the decal. Brush decal softener onto the decal. Can use a chemical striper like Jasco (not sure what the equivalent is here in the UK) or sandpaper. Start the stroke some distance before and end some disctance after the surface to get an even finish. read more... Sparsh Digital. 1/ Once the surface of the headstock is prepared remove the protective tissue over the Decal and trim the Decal as required – there is picture showing trimming a logo below. Lacquer would make the transfers more durable but if you get bored of the colour scheme they will be an arse to remove. I use lacquer thinner and an airbrush, and it dries immediately. Unless i clear it enough to bury the decals so i can flat it … Check that the decal is securely stuck all over. The decals would have looked great, but I just don’t think I want to risk it. Repeat the above steps for each new decal. I think we have similar frames plus one, although mine is the cantilever version. Smacking on heavy coats straight away can damage and wrinkle the decal. The clear coat it's decanted from a spray can. WWII German Helmet Decal - Water Transfer (Face Up), to Face Down (lacquer applied) Instructions: We only recommend using acrylic varnish, acrylic resins or acrylic adhesives on our decals. There are only a few common mistakes to avoid that will help make using waterslide easy for you. You want the lacquer … Do I recommend it? For my first attempt I used polyester over a vinyl decal, and the table looked great for about two months. Thin factory applied transfer type decals have to be lacquered* as this “fixes” them as they would scratch off very easily.*AFAIK. If i do the flat black first id have to mask super neatly again to clear over the decals if they needed it. Im tempted to try and paint the stripes, but that may be a bit extreme, too much chance to get it wrong. Then Dullcote after the Glosscote dries. Too late now but I provided MJT with custom water slide decals and they applied them. Dab any excess softener with paper towel. I am making a table. There will be a base coat of white paint and over top of that I want to add a sticker because the design would be very difficult to paint by hand. I have sprayed lacquer over vinyl lettering for a sign and had no issues placing the vinyl directly on the stained wood, then spraying over the top. While there are certainly lacquer based coatings on some craft papers, many decal papers being sold have non-lacquer based coatings that are used to improve adhesion of various printer inks. Not only does it broaden your crafting abilities, it is very user friendly. You want to just ‘mist’ the lacquer on. The decal has a thickness and you are spraying the same coat of lacquer over the whole of the headstock face so it will still show raised. 10. I don’t like to apply the decal to bare wood so a few coats of lacquer are needed. Clear coating helps to protect the decal from peeling, cracking or sustaining other damage from exposure to the elements. The only problem I ever had was clear spraying the self sticking decals , when the lacquer got underneath the decal where it hadnt sat flush , and lifted it. Now paint over the decal with decal solution before pressing down on it with a moist paper towel. Brush decal softener onto the decal. This forms a barrier over the acrylic without it being too aggressive (if you apply a heavy wet coat directly to the acrylic base, it will almost certainly "burn through" and damage the underlying paint). Pretty much have to do the whole frame to get it to lock right. Very helpful, and underlines how little I know about this process. There are two techniques: 1) Strip off the clearcoat. Should I apply lacquer over the top of the decals, or not bother? I purchased decals from DRATV. © 2021 Pistonheads Holdco Limited, All Rights Reserved. Placing your decal into too warm/hot water can over activate the adhesive making it feel a bit slimy and you decal paper a bit flimsy. The decals are not fuel proof or dope proof! It is easier using lacquer out of a can instead of prepping to spray the butyrate using my airbrush to seal the decal. 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